
But that’s very different from what he’s become now. I mean, it is close now to racism, white — I mean, I don’t know if it’s racism exactly — but ethno-nationalism of some kind, let’s call it. A combination of dumbing down, as you said earlier, and stirring people’s emotions in a very unhealthy way.
Bill Kristol, January 25, 2018 ([Bill Kristol takes on Fox News, Tucker Carlson: ‘I don’t know if it’s racism exactly – but ethno-nationalism of some kind’, w:John Harwood, John, Harwood, January 25, 2018, NBC News, https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/bill-kristol-takes-on-fox-news-tucker-carlson.html, CNBC])