“… even if the Hurd didn't depend on Linux code (and as far as I know, it does, but since I think they have their design heads firmly up their *sses anyway with that whole microkernel thing, I've never felt it was worth my time even looking at their code), I don't believe a religiously motivated development community can ever generate as good code except by pure chance.”

— Linus Torvalds

LKML, September 27, 2006 http://groups.google.com/group/fa.linux.kernel/msg/e4617294bbd1d0f1
2000s, 2006

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