“All wishes are not idle, nor in vain
fulfilment we devise — for pain is pain,
not for itself to be desired, but ill;
or else to strive or to subdue the will
alike were graceless; and of Evil this
alone is deadly certain: Evil is.”

Mythopoeia (1931)

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British philologist and author, creator of classic fantasy … 1892–1973

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