“We are questioning more than the philosophy behind our dependence upon limited and limiting systems. We question the power structures that have grown up around such systems.”

—  Frank Herbert

Without Me, You're Nothing: The Essential Guide to Home Computers (1981), co-written with Max Barnard
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